Episode 36 Show Notes
MONTHLY FOIBLES
…wherein we discuss what we did this month…
Moss: I completely reworked the distros on my T540p due to some really strange things going on with Mint 21. The only distro I did not reinstall was Bodhi, which keeps plugging right along. I have gone back into the classroom as a substitute teacher, but only time will tell if I have the stamina to keep it up.
Dale: My mobile phone provider saga continues with me using Verizon once again. They tried to sign me up under their ‘Welcome back’ promotion except for some reason they had some issues on their end and after 90 minutes they signed me up as a new customer. Since I was considered a new customer, I was able to get a free phone. All I needed to do was pay the sales tax. The total cost of the phone appears as a payment plan on my bill but they credit me the cost of payment. I just love corporate accounting practices. LoL
The phone in question is the Google Pixel 6A which I like better than the Motorola phones I have been using for the past decade. My initial concerns were about the fingerprint sensor which is on the screen. My Motorola Z4’s on-screen reader worked 30 to 40% of the time. I am happy to say that the Pixel is about 95% for me. I also kept the gestures enabled, I found that I really like them. So much so that I enabled them on my Motorola One.
While looking online for cable management ideas, I found a company called Legrand. They sell a product called CordMate with 3 sizes to handle up to 5 cables. They appeared to be made of a PVC or PVC-like material. I was able to cut them to size using a serrated blade on my Leatherman. It is simple to assemble, press the cable or cables into the raceway channel, then peel off the protective covering on the adhesive tape and press it against the wall or ceiling. They seem to stick very well and white looks good against my white walls and ceiling.
In regards to Linux and my computers. I connected my two desktops, mini-itx, and the Plex server. I also mounted my access point to the ceiling outside of the office. I measured its placement to be equally apart from my bedroom and my office, with my living room in the middle. On a technical note, I changed the bandwidth from 40 MHz to 80 MHz for the 5Ghz radio. Wow! It made a huge difference in my speed. I knew about the setting before but never thought it would be such a drastic improvement. There is an option for 160 MHz, from what I have read, it depends on how many other APs are in the area. The wider bandwidth may interfere with them. The Ubiquity Unifi Controller has an option to scan for other APs. Once I do that, I will see if I can enable the 160 MHz channel. Overall, I am very happy with the performance considering the brick and concrete construction.
Lastly, I updated Debian Testing on my desktop, Debian 11 Bullseye on my Mini-ITX, the Plex Server, and Solus Plasma on my other desktop. These had all been powered off for two months and were successfully updated. I have been quite impressed with Solus Plasma, it has been updating once a month for at least 3 years. I don’t worry about my Debian Stable boxes, but I did need to additionally run a dist-upgrade on Testing due to packages being held back.
Josh: Well, I am officially moved into my new apartment and started my new job. So far it’s been good. I don’t quite have all of my tech stuff up and running yet, but I did get to my desktop with the Ryzen 7 5800X and my laptop with the 11th gen i7. I also have my server that Dale gave to me up and running but I switched the operating system from Proxmox to trueNAS Scale. So far that has been really nice because it has all the benefits of a NAS system combined with all the benefits of a Linux box. It uses virtualization and docker to run the VMs and the applications that are provided. Compared to the BSD version, trueNAS Core, formerly known as freeNAS, has many more virtualization options and the application gallery is better with trueNAS Scale. You also have a thing called true charts that you can use to add in community-built applications. The thing that is nice about the applications are they are one click installs. They basically pull down a docker container and deploy it using Kubernetes. I won’t get into all of that because I’m not reviewing trueNAS Scale but maybe in the future I will get to that one.
UPDATES (Where we discuss what we have learned about distros we’ve already reviewed
Moss: Spectacular news was made in Canonical-land, where Ubuntu Unity has been made an Official Flavour effective 22.10. This is great news for the dev of Ubuntu Unity, who has come from seemingly nowhere to an Official Dev in just a few years – and who turns 13 around the time this episode will be released.
Also, OpenMandriva has released an RC for version 5.0. I can hardly wait to test this distro out when it gets to final form, but I don’t mess with RCs and rarely with betas.
Dale: Debian Testing is at Kernel 5.19 and Gnome version 42.4. For those of you that want OS Prober to be able to add operating systems to your Grub boot menu. Edit your grub config which is located in the /etc/default folder and edit the file named grub. Add the following line :
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false
Then type update-grub .
I didn’t see anything else worth mentioning.
Josh: Fedora 37 is now in beta, and Chimera os is now on version 35.
BEAUTIFUL FAILURES – What we tried, and failed, to install or run this month
Moss: I have been having little niggling issues with Mint 21. Currently it is telling me something about a deprecation of key 8 or something like that, regarding Grub Customizer. I have no clue what to do, and it won’t let me copy and paste the text. It also keeps telling me I shouldn’t be using the configured grub entry for Mint but should use a different one. These issues seem to relate to the 22.04 code base. And Firefox just does not like to update from the main Mint repo, I had it where I needed to leave it alone for a half hour to complete the download. I’m about to switch to something else or go back to 20.3.
Dale: This technically was a fail but it was my fault for not reading the upgrade instructions. When I searched for Regolith, I clicked on the download link in the first search result. It was 1.6 based on Ubuntu 20.04. After installation, I tried to upgrade it to 22.04. When I rebooted, apparently it broke something in the Regolith desktop, as I couldn’t access any keyboard commands. That required me to hold down the power button to force the laptop off. I did another search from my Pangolin and went to the main page instead of the download. Sure enough, there were specific upgrade instructions. However, I didn’t need to follow them because they also mentioned that they created a new website for version 2.0. I went to the new site and downloaded the 2.0 ISO based on Ubuntu 22.04. Sometimes it is just fun to break stuff.
Josh: I blew up my first attempt at running containers on TrueNAS Scale. I don’t actually know what I did but everything broke and I rolled back and everything seemed to be fine after that. I even tried to reproduce the issue with no results. It’s been solid since that happened.
Other than that I really haven’t done much tech wise yet but I am working on changing that lol.
Let’s move on to the reviews.
Moss:
DISTRO NAME: Peppermint OS 2022
INTRO: Shedding its Ubuntu and LXDE shell for Debian and XFCE, Peppermint OS is a new thing, but it runs just like it always has.
MY HARDWARE: I installed on sda1 of my Lenovo ThinkPad T540p, with a 6th gen i7-4700MQ at 2.4 GHz, Intel, and Nvidia GeForce GT730M graphics, with 16 Gb of DDR3 RAM. sda1 is half of a 256 Gb Samsung SSD. Because of how well it ran, I also installed it on my T560, but this review is not based on that installation.
INSTALLATION EASE AND ISSUES: The live disk boots to a very nice wallpaper and a box appears suggesting adding apps, such as a browser, extras, tutorial, or to open PepHub (settings). Ignore all that and select the Install Peppermint icon. Select language and hit next, log in to WiFi if no Ethernet, pick time zone and select next, accept the keyboard, and then select Install Alongside, Replace a Partition, or Erase Disk. It did not identify which distro was in which partition, so I have to go back and do that.
From the top, now that I know which partition…
You then get shown a list of goodies to include in your installation, with lots of options. I fumbled my way through the multitude and hope I picked well. Next.
Name, login, password. Next. I apparently missed the checkbox to log in automatically.
The synopsis of my choices are shown, select Install.
Watch it unpack, and flip through kinda graphical info panels, all clearly based on being informative rather than emphasizing a modern design.
You then wait however long it takes, and reboot when it’s done.
POST-INSTALLATION HARDWARE FACTS & ISSUES: I learned that Peppermint plays no tricks with Grub, and I could just reclaim Grub with either Mint or Bodhi. This is refreshing of late, as many distros have been using 32-bit EFI instead of 64-bit Grub. Firefox is ESR 91.13.0.
EASE OF USE: Updating is very interesting, as it opens a Terminal and appears to run a script. It keeps you informed that the process is continuing but gives you zero information as to what it is doing. When it is done, you can look at the log file or quit. The desktop is XFCE, pretty straight up.
MEMORY AND DISK USE:
5.5 GB of space used on the SSD
440 MB of memory used was reported by free –hm.
EASE OF FINDING HELP: I did not need to get help.
PLAYS NICE WITH OTHERS: Peppermint is coexisting quite nicely with 4 other distros on this machine.
STABILITY: Debian Bullseye is about as stable as it gets.
SIMILAR DISTROS TO CHECK OUT:
Linux Lite
MX 21
LMDE 5
RATINGS:
Ease of Installation new user 7/10
experienced user 9/10
Hardware Issues 10/10
Ease of Finding Help (Community, Web) x/10
Ease of Use 10/10
Plays Nice With Others 10/10
Stability 10/10
Overall Rating 9/10
FINAL COMMENTS: This is a really good distro, and would be right at home in the hands of an intermediate or experienced Linux user. It might be a bit much for a first time user, as it just doesn’t quite work the way an inexperienced user would expect it to and has quite a few features that would not be appreciated by a newbie. Any user would be likely to keep this going once they got used to it, and would be looking for some of these special touches from other distros – and likely not find them.
I downloaded and ran Linux Lite 6, the latest version, for comparison sake as it has been quite similar to Peppermint in the past, although it remains based on Ubuntu. It has the same updater icon but not the same updater, is more Ubuntu-like, and would be easier for a new user to follow.
So the question is, has Debian gotten that much better, or is it me – or is it just that Peppermint found the right tools to make Debian work for me? I’m not sure whether I’m keeping Peppermint, but this is exactly the type of distro I am ready for now. I may be more open to Debian-based distros in the future, but am aware I might just discover that Peppermint is the best at what it does.
Dale:
DISTRO NAME: Regolith 2
INTRO: Regolith uses the i3 Window Manager as its base, which is a Stacking Window Manager. More on this in a minute. I couldn’t find an official start of the project. All I could find is the date on their Github of their oldest version. That date is March 17th of 2019. There was also a review from June 2019 on OMG Ubuntu, which is the oldest review I could find.
Before I get too far I want to explain what a Window Manager is basically, as it gets more complicated than I need to in this review. Window Managers control the placement and appearance of windows in a graphical environment. What most people are accustomed to is Desktop Environments, like Gnome, Cinnamon, and Plasma for example. They all use Window Managers, they just add more functionality like toolbars, applets, and docks. etc. There are different types of Window Managers, the one specific to Regolith is a Tiling Window Manager. They arrange windows so that they don’t overlap. Most people are more familiar with Stacking also known as Floating Window Managers, where windows can overlap.
The benefit of Regolith is it includes configurations that are not in the default i3. They also include different supporting packages compared to the i3 Meta package found in many distros. Just FYI, a Meta package is a package name that is a collection of other packages that are installed at once.
There are two options to install Regolith. The first option is the ISO installation, which is a customized Ubuntu 22.04 image. As with other installation ISO images, you can boot into a live environment to use it without installing it or install it onto your drive.
The ISO provides Regolith-branded boot and login screens. It uses the LightDM display manager instead of GDM 3 (the default Gnome display manager) to avoid unneeded dependencies. They also removed gnome-shell, ubuntu-session, evolution-data-server, and snapd. They of course can be added if desired.
The ISO is available as a mini or the default ISO. The mini only includes the default look and a few status indicators whereas the default includes support for all the official looks and more status indicators. You can think of the looks as themes.
The second option is to add their Apt repository to an existing installation of Ubuntu 20.04, 22.04, and Debian Bullseye. The Apt installation lacks customized branding along with the supporting packages configured and installed. These include status indicators and application launchers.
MY HARDWARE: The laptop I used is my Lenovo ThinkPad T460. It has an Intel Dual Core i5-6200U 2.8 GHz CPU, 14″ display using Intel HD Graphics 520, 16 GB of RAM, and a 500 GB Samsung 860 EVO SSD.
INSTALLATION EASE AND ISSUES: As far as the ISO installation goes, it is a very minimal Ubuntu installation. The normal steps of language, location, partitioning, and user account creation are performed. You are prompted to remove the stick and press enter to reboot. So I installed it onto one partition of the SSD.
On the second partition, I installed Debian Stable Bullseye. I tried Debian Testing but when I went to install the regolith-desktop meta package, there were a few packages that had unmet dependencies. So I reinstalled Debian Stable and followed the instructions on the Regolith website to add the repository, then ran sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade. I followed that with sudo apt install regolith-desktop. I rebooted the laptop just to make sure everything was set. Once at the LightDM login screen, I needed to switch to Regolith instead of Gnome Shell. To do that I needed to click on my user name and the gear icon in the lower right of the screen. From there I had a drop-down list of the available sessions. Once I selected Regolith, I could enter my password and proceed to the desktop.
POST-INSTALLATION HARDWARE FACTS & ISSUES:
None found
EASE OF USE:
There is a bit of a difference between using the Regolith ISO and using the Apt repo on Debian. When you log in to the Regolith installation, they have the status bar preconfigured with CPU, Memory, Disk Space, Network Manager and a separate Network status with upload and download, Notification Counter, Volume percentage and mute status, Question mark icon for showing the keybindings, Rofi the app launcher and finally the Date and Time.
On Debian using the Regolith-Desktop meta package, you have the minimal interface which is the Network Manager with upload and download and CPU utilization.
On their website under Using Regolith, there is a link called Configuration. They have a list of recommended Status Indicator packages to install so you can replicate the look of the Regolith ISO installation. They made it easy to copy and paste into your terminal.
Most of my review is going to be centered on the Regolith ISO installation due to time commitments while at work I didn’t have a lot of extra time to custom configure the Debian installation. I would recommend the Ubuntu or Debian install using the Regolith Repos if you want a clean slate to build from. You can install other i3 packages that Regolith doesn’t have installed by default.
When I say Super, I am referring to the Superkey, which is the Windows Logo key on most keyboards. When I pressed Super-Shift-?, it brought up a list of the keybindings. This is very useful until you get familiar with them, or at least change them to something you can remember. To open the App Launcher I pressed Super-Space. Most of the status applications in the panel are not interactive like they are in a Desktop Environment. Others you can click on, like App Launcher and Keybind Help List. One that was a bit odd because it wasn’t the action I was expecting was clicking on the date and time. It opened the date and time settings in Gnome settings. If you want it to open the calendar, you will need to install and configure one. I saw suggestions for using Gsimplecal and Galendae. Another useful keyboard command is Super-Enter, which opens the terminal. Between Super-Space and Super-Enter, I was able to get packages installed via Apt and config files edited.
One thing that takes some getting used to is window layout. When you first log in, all you see is a black screen and a bottom status bar. I will say that using their website’s Using Regolith section and following First Launch and Basic Usage is necessary and helpful. When you open applications, the first one is full screen. The next one you open is opened to your right using half of the screen in a horizontal position and so is the next one. They call this the Split layout. The other options are Stacked, where the focused window is visible and the other ones are stacked below and the third option is Tabbed, which is similar to Stacked except the windows’ list is vertical instead of horizontal. There are two different types of windows, Fixed windows, and Floating windows. Fixed is the default, where they are side by side. Floating is what most people are used to, where the window floats above the other windows. This behavior can be configured as default or application specific. I found it better to have Gnome Files and Firefox floating. Since you generally need to see the entire screen to use it easier.
Navigating the windows is done by the keyboard. The only time you use your mouse is for applications that expect it, like Gnome Files, Firefox, Gnome Settings, etc. To move the focus to another window I pressed the arrow keys. So if I wanted to move to the right, I would press Super-right arrow. If I wanted that window to use the full screen, I would press Super-F, pressing it again returns it to the Split screen. Once I got used to that, it was actually quicker than reaching for the mouse and clicking on the window I wanted. To close a window, you select it and press Super-Shift-Q. To get more screen real estate you can use virtual windows and send windows to appear in the virtual window. Once I did that, there was a 2 listed in the bottom panel instead of just 1. There was a white box around the number of the virtual window in use. Pressing Super-Tab switched between the virtual windows. I found it pretty cool to select a window and make it float by pressing Super-Shift-F. Pressing that again returns it to a Fixed window.
I did run into an annoying problem that I was able to resolve after looking through the keybinding list. I was in Gnome Settings and a popup window opened to change a setting. I clicked on Firefox which was set to float and then switched back to Gnome Settings. The odd thing that happened is the child window that opened (the popup window) was no longer visible. Since Gnome Settings was waiting for me to close that window, it wouldn’t respond. I needed to press Super-Z and it appeared and I was able to use Super-Shift-Q to close it. Then I was able to use the main Gnome Settings window.
A few things I think could have been better configured are the notifications and the wallpaper settings. To set the wallpaper by default using Regolith, you need to edit the Xresources to add some dotfiles. Inside those files point to the path of the image along with the positioning settings. There are better ways of doing this with applications like Feh and Nitrogen.
The notifications by default are handled by Rofication, its aim is to not pop up in your face while you are working. It provides a central place to look at the notification. Personally, I prefer a popup from the panel that disappears after a few seconds. I forgot to write down the ones I found.
One nice thing about keybindings is that you can change them to what you want. If you are like me and can’t remember that Super-Shift-P powers the computer off, you can change it. I just opened a terminal and typed “sudo shutdown -h now”.
MEMORY AND DISK USE:
8.1 GB of space used on the SSD
476MB of memory used was reported by free –hm.
EASE OF FINDING HELP:
Their website is the best source for finding help, followed by the i3 website, and lastly the many YouTube videos.
PLAYS NICE WITH OTHERS:
There shouldn’t be a problem since it uses a standard Ubuntu base.
STABILITY:
I didn’t have any issues with Ubuntu or Debian.
SIMILAR DISTROS TO CHECK OUT:
Endeavour OS has i3 available
Manjaro i3 edition
RATINGS:
Ease of Installation new user 1/10
experienced user 6/10
Hardware Issues 10/10
Ease of Finding Help (Community, Web) 10/10
Ease of Use 5/10
Plays Nice With Others 10/10
Stability 10/10
Overall Rating 7/10
FINAL COMMENTS:
Regolith was actually a very enjoyable experience and was my second time trying i3. I would say that you have to be the person that likes using the keyboard and the terminal. It is also good for someone that wants to customize their keyboard shortcuts, there are no limits to what you can do. There is a steep learning curve that may be too steep for some. If you are adventurous and want a challenge, I would fully recommend trying Regolith or even i3. The amount of flexibility you can achieve is the best in Linux or any other operating system for that matter. The way you can dynamically switch between floating windows and static windows is a very cool feature. Additionally editing the configuration to set specific apps to open in a floating window every time or even on a specific virtual workspace. The same goes for static windows you want to open on specific virtual workspaces. You can also name your workspaces to make windows task oriented.
Given some time, I could see myself using this instead of Gnome Shell.
Josh:
DISTRO NAME: Drauger OS
INTRO: Drauger OS Is a Linux distro specifically for gaming. It comes with a lot of packages that other OSs don’t include such as Steam pre-installed and easy to install Nvidia drivers right from the installer. The name Drauger OS comes from a game that I really like called the Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim. There are enemies in that game called Drauger and that’s where the name comes from.
MY HARDWARE: The hardware I tested on was My Ryzen 7 5800X cpu 16 GB of DDR4 RAM at 3200 MHz and my Nvidia 1650 Super GPU.
INSTALLATION EASE AND ISSUES: Drauger OS does not use any of the traditional Linux installers. They actually created their own. I talked to one of the developers and he was saying that the other installers did not fit what they needed so they created their own. Their installer is basically just a text-based installer but it’s in a window so you have the whole operating system loaded before you install. There are things I liked and things I didn’t like about the installer. First of all, what I did like about it was that it was very simple to understand. Basically just click and select what you want. Some things I didn’t like about it were the fact that my keyboard was not included in the list of handled keyboards so I would have to use the generic keyboard which is fine. But it’d be nice to see my keyboard included. Everything else is pretty much your standard installation asking you for your language and other things like that. Like your region. You can do an automatic install so it partitions your drive correctly or you can do a manual partition which opens up gParted. The install is very fast and you can include the Nvidia drivers while installing. But at the time I installed it that functionality was not available because their back end needs to be fixed as I was told by One of the devs. Overall, I really like the installer, but it does have a couple of things that need to be addressed so that people can more easily be able to get up and running with gaming on Linux, especially if using Drauger OS.
POST-INSTALLATION HARDWARE FACTS & ISSUES: After I got Drauger OS installed there were a few things that the dev told me to do. First was to do a “sudo apt install –reinstall libva-x11-2:i386” – this allowed Steam to update and run. He also told me to install the Nvidia drivers using “sudo apt install nvidia-driver-latest” this package installed the latest Nvidia drivers for my GPU. I was surprised to see that the installer used btrfs by default and had all the proper settings in fstab to take full advantage of btrfs. The only thing I didn’t like about that is that it did not set up the root and home partitions as separate subvolumes and name them @ and @home respectively to use timeshift properly with btrfs. I would usually dock points for these kinds of issues but considering the dev told me that they are working to fix all these issues gives me hope for the future and I know it will get fixed soon.
Drauger uses the xfce desktop with a custom theme and layout that is rather odd to me but I guess works for a gaming system. The task bar is at the top and there is a dock to the left side that you can add applications to allow quick access. At the bottom is a virtual desktop switcher that works but really not sure why that is included in a gaming distro. With how the desktop is set up I would initially think it is a workstation desktop rather than a gaming desktop.
EASE OF USE: Drauger OS is extremely easy to use. It has many functions of any modern desktop even with its use of xfce as the desktop. It uses Ubuntu as its base so any application that works for Ubuntu will work for Drauger.
MEMORY AND DISK USE:
8.4 GB of space used on the SSD
645 MB of memory used was reported by free –hm.
EASE OF FINDING HELP: Help was readily available on their Discord channel even directly from the dev which is always nice. Also it’s an Ubuntu base, so many many avenues for support exist.
PLAYS NICE WITH OTHERS: This distro does not play nice with others. The installer does not have any option to install alongside another distro; you would have to plan ahead and make room for other distros manually.
STABILITY: Drauger was very stable although I did have one issue with the interface where 2 wifi symbols appeared and I could not get either of them to go away. Other than that incident after updating and making sure you do all the fixes it worked flawlessly.
GAMING EASE: Since this distro is geared towards gaming I tested this out thoroughly. I tested 3 games: Horizon Zero Dawn, Elder Scrolls Online, and Valheim. The first 2 on this list are Windows games run via Steam Proton (aka WINE) and Valheim is a Linux native game. Horizon Zero Dawn is a heavily GPU intensive game and after doing some tweaks it ran smoothly on high settings. Elder Scrolls Online is more of a CPU intensive game being that it is online and the CPU has to do the tracking of other online players. That game also played smoothly on high settings but anything higher than high settings and it would begin to stutter. Valheim ran great on its highest settings but that game is not the most intense game although with the GPU I have in my rig it actually taxes it pretty hard.
After all my testing I give Drauger a pass for gaming. It really was a great experience especially with Steam pre installed and with the devs working hard to fix the Steam and nVidia issues I am sure it will only get better.
SIMILAR DISTROS TO CHECK OUT: Nobara Project, Chimera OS, and anything that uses the xfce desktop really.
RATINGS:
Ease of Installation new user 8/10
experienced user 10/10
Hardware Issues 9/10
Ease of Finding Help (Community, Web) 10/10
Ease of Use 10/10
Plays Nice With Others 2/10
Stability 9/10
Works with Games 10/10
Overall Rating 8.5/10
FINAL COMMENTS: I could probably recommend this to anyone looking for a good desktop that can also run games well. Also the Dev was very nice and super-helpful which really made my time with Drauger much much better. My only suggestion would be to maybe focus on the desktop being more gaming centric rather than being developer centric. Of course the devs also use this distro so maybe thats why its kinda geared towards that more.
NEW RELEASES THIS MONTH:
from 8/17 to 9/21
KaOS 2022.08
Neptune 7.5
Karoshi 14.0.0
Mabox 22.08
ArchLabs 2022.08.21
EasyOS 4.3.5
Tails 5.4
Absolute 20220825
Gecko 154.220822.0 (static)
Gecko 999.220822.0 (rolling)
MakuluLinux 2022-08-19
Nitrux 20220831
Armbian 22.08.1
all official Ubuntu flavors 20.04.5
Archman 20220901
T2 SDK 22.9
deepin 20.7
Linuxfx 11.2.22.04.2
NuTyX 22.09.3
Garuda 220903
Regata 22.0.5
Arch Linux 2022.09.03
Salix 15.0
Rescuezilla 2.4.1
Kodachi 8.25
TrueNAS 13.0-U2 “CORE”
Raspberry Pi OS 2022-09-07
Bluestar 5.19.7
SmartOS 2022090
Snal 1.21
RebornOS 2022.09
openmamba 20220912
Venom 4.0
SME Server 10.1
EndeavourOS 22.9
KDE neon 20220915
Peropesis 1.7
IPFire 2.27-core170
Archcraft 2022.09.16
MX 21.2.1
OSMC 2022.09-1
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Moss: For chatting with us further, you may choose to join our Telegram group or our Discord channel.
Josh: I’m @joshontech on most social networks or email me at [email protected], Also you can find me on the CrowbarKernelPanic podcast.
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Moss: And you can contact Tony at [email protected], http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=338, Twitter @TonyH1212
Moss: And you can hear me every week on Full Circle Weekly News and mintCast. My email is [email protected], and I’m on Mastodon as @[email protected], plus you can find me, Dale and Dylan, at Its MOSS dot com.
